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Technology PMC review of PTP project

Cliff Schmidt
Greg,

As a representative of the Technology PMC, I'd like to offer some  
feedback on the PTP project to you (as the project lead) and to all  
the other PTP committers.  I'm also volunteering to be your PMC  
contact and project mentor.

Overall, we believe that the project is on the right track.  User  
questions seem to be getting answered, bugs are making their way into  
Bugzilla (although not as actively recently), and there appears to be  
a healthy collaboration on the mailing lists.

The community size still appears to be small, but that may be related  
to the pre-1.0 maturity and the domain of the project (not having as  
broad of a potential audience as more common developer tools).  
However, we have a few thoughts on some actions that might help to  
grow the strength of the PTP community:

* Make it easy for users to get started either through tools (an  
installer) or through detailed checklists and instructions.  I've  
noticed that your project has made some improvements in this area in  
the last couple weeks.  Great job -- keep it up!

* As has been done in the last couple weeks, continue to make sure  
documents linked from the web site are relatively up-to-date.  For  
instance, make sure the Release Plan, Design Document, and Work Tasks  
reflect where the project is today.

* Good job with planning a demo and talk at EclipseCon -- make sure  
attendees know how easy it is for them to get involved and help make  
the project better.

* Good job posting the minutes to the conference calls; however, you  
could do a better job with letting people know in advance the time/
date and call-in info for the meeting.  Consider making sure a notice  
is sent to the newsgroup and mailing list earlier than the day of/
before the meeting.  You might also even consider posting the next  
meeting time/date on the site's home page.  Teleconferences can be  
very useful, but they can also inadvertently exclude interested  
potential contributors if it's not obvious that everyone is invited  
to attend and provided enough notice to do so.

* Your contributors page (http://www.eclipse.org/ptp/ 
contributors.html) has a long list of "Supporters".  I assume this  
list was put together when the project was proposed.  Since the  
project is now well underway, you might consider getting back in  
touch with some of the organizations to see if they are now  
interested in getting involved to any extent.

Cliff

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Re: Technology PMC review of PTP project

Cliff Schmidt
One more thing:

Please update the PTP websites to the new Eclipse look and create the  
"project status infrastructure" files.  See the complete details here:
http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/project-status- 
infrastructure.php.

Thanks!

Cliff

On Mar 6, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Cliff Schmidt wrote:

> Greg,
>
> As a representative of the Technology PMC, I'd like to offer some  
> feedback on the PTP project to you (as the project lead) and to all  
> the other PTP committers.  I'm also volunteering to be your PMC  
> contact and project mentor.
>
> Overall, we believe that the project is on the right track.  User  
> questions seem to be getting answered, bugs are making their way  
> into Bugzilla (although not as actively recently), and there  
> appears to be a healthy collaboration on the mailing lists.
>
> The community size still appears to be small, but that may be  
> related to the pre-1.0 maturity and the domain of the project (not  
> having as broad of a potential audience as more common developer  
> tools).  However, we have a few thoughts on some actions that might  
> help to grow the strength of the PTP community:
>
> * Make it easy for users to get started either through tools (an  
> installer) or through detailed checklists and instructions.  I've  
> noticed that your project has made some improvements in this area  
> in the last couple weeks.  Great job -- keep it up!
>
> * As has been done in the last couple weeks, continue to make sure  
> documents linked from the web site are relatively up-to-date.  For  
> instance, make sure the Release Plan, Design Document, and Work  
> Tasks reflect where the project is today.
>
> * Good job with planning a demo and talk at EclipseCon -- make sure  
> attendees know how easy it is for them to get involved and help  
> make the project better.
>
> * Good job posting the minutes to the conference calls; however,  
> you could do a better job with letting people know in advance the  
> time/date and call-in info for the meeting.  Consider making sure a  
> notice is sent to the newsgroup and mailing list earlier than the  
> day of/before the meeting.  You might also even consider posting  
> the next meeting time/date on the site's home page.  
> Teleconferences can be very useful, but they can also inadvertently  
> exclude interested potential contributors if it's not obvious that  
> everyone is invited to attend and provided enough notice to do so.
>
> * Your contributors page (http://www.eclipse.org/ptp/ 
> contributors.html) has a long list of "Supporters".  I assume this  
> list was put together when the project was proposed.  Since the  
> project is now well underway, you might consider getting back in  
> touch with some of the organizations to see if they are now  
> interested in getting involved to any extent.
>
> Cliff
>

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Re: Technology PMC review of PTP project

Greg Watson-2
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Cliff,

Thanks for your comments.

On Mar 6, 2006, at 12:50 PM, Cliff Schmidt wrote:

> Greg,
>
> As a representative of the Technology PMC, I'd like to offer some  
> feedback on the PTP project to you (as the project lead) and to all  
> the other PTP committers.  I'm also volunteering to be your PMC  
> contact and project mentor.
>
> Overall, we believe that the project is on the right track.  User  
> questions seem to be getting answered, bugs are making their way  
> into Bugzilla (although not as actively recently), and there  
> appears to be a healthy collaboration on the mailing lists.
>
> The community size still appears to be small, but that may be  
> related to the pre-1.0 maturity and the domain of the project (not  
> having as broad of a potential audience as more common developer  
> tools).  However, we have a few thoughts on some actions that might  
> help to grow the strength of the PTP community:

The community size will stay small until we can get the message out  
and convince people to switch to using Eclipse. However, they're not  
going to do that until we can show them something better than what  
they already have. There is a strong resistance to moving to Eclipse  
just for the benefits you get from Eclipse. The people  I talk to  
want something more than that. So, while we're working on getting the  
first release out, it's highly unlikely we'll get more contributers.  
Until then, most of our resources will be in development.

Also, I'd like you to understand that this project is not really like  
other Eclipse projects. While there is some commercial interest, most  
parallel computing is done in government funded labs or academia.  
Getting people in this community interested in contributing is not a  
matter of establishing a business case. It requires seeking  
additional funding for new projects, which can be a very slow process.

>
> * Make it easy for users to get started either through tools (an  
> installer) or through detailed checklists and instructions.  I've  
> noticed that your project has made some improvements in this area  
> in the last couple weeks.  Great job -- keep it up!

I wish it were it that easy, and we were just a pure Java plugin that  
people could download into Eclipse. However, the nature of parallel  
computers means this will never be possible. We are trying to  
establish better processes, but the bottom line is that it will never  
be as easy as a java plugin. Now that we've actually got something  
for people to try out, we'll have an opportunity to get feedback and  
suggestions on improving the installation process.

>
> * As has been done in the last couple weeks, continue to make sure  
> documents linked from the web site are relatively up-to-date.  For  
> instance, make sure the Release Plan, Design Document, and Work  
> Tasks reflect where the project is today.
>
> * Good job with planning a demo and talk at EclipseCon -- make sure  
> attendees know how easy it is for them to get involved and help  
> make the project better.
>
> * Good job posting the minutes to the conference calls; however,  
> you could do a better job with letting people know in advance the  
> time/date and call-in info for the meeting.  Consider making sure a  
> notice is sent to the newsgroup and mailing list earlier than the  
> day of/before the meeting.  You might also even consider posting  
> the next meeting time/date on the site's home page.  
> Teleconferences can be very useful, but they can also inadvertently  
> exclude interested potential contributors if it's not obvious that  
> everyone is invited to attend and provided enough notice to do so.

The time and date of the meetings is already on the planning meetings  
page. Are you suggesting something different? I try and put  
information up about the meetings as early as possible, but lately  
I've been busy with other matters. I will try to be more diligent.

>
> * Your contributors page (http://www.eclipse.org/ptp/ 
> contributors.html) has a long list of "Supporters".  I assume this  
> list was put together when the project was proposed.  Since the  
> project is now well underway, you might consider getting back in  
> touch with some of the organizations to see if they are now  
> interested in getting involved to any extent.

It has always been my plan, once we have something for people to try.

Greg

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